Cleaned Shake Cedar Shingles Have A White Appearance
Robert Baxter said
Oct 11, 2015
Hi everyone:
I am just not getting the results on cedar shake shingles as I see many of you do.
I'm not getting a warm golden color. My color tends to be whitish.
I don't go over 2% mix. I have used straight Terra. I have used 50/50 Terra, Green Wash. And I have used just Green Wash.
Any suggestions?
Jeremy Harrison said
Oct 11, 2015
Are you using SH or CH, we only use CH and all our roofs have a light white film until we get a couple of good rains
Jeremy Harrison said
Oct 11, 2015
Also I did not see where you were using wood restore as a final treatment, we have not done a cedar shake roofs yet but the wood we have done, we finished with wood restore and that gave it the light golden appearance.
AC Lockyer said
Oct 11, 2015
Bob,
The UV and mold damages on the wood will be coton white. This needs some time to weather off if the roof was pretty badly infested. On smaller areas we reccomend using a deck brush to remove the fuzz. On roofs it just takes a little time for the UV damaged wood to wear off.
Hope this helps,
AC
Robert Baxter said
Oct 12, 2015
Thanks everyone.
I did use wood restore for the final rinse.
This side of the roof had a lot of moss and black mold. In fact the black mold is still there. Any thoughts on that?
Was the 2% too heavy. Should we use straight GW or TW or mix at 50/50 or mix at 75 terra and 25 green wash?
Robert Baxter said
Oct 12, 2015
Also, AC you mentioned following up with another application or 2.
Should I still use the same mix and chemicals?
Brandon Vaughn said
Oct 12, 2015
Robert, are you pre-wetting the wood with water before you begin?
Robert Baxter said
Oct 12, 2015
Yes I pre-wet the cedar shingles.
Tim Teed said
Oct 13, 2015
Most likely it is not the black mold/fungus but tanin. Take a photo when dry. A lot of it will go grey and blend in. They don't always get the golden hue. Here is some photos before, after and one year later.
The black stains may be from treating the shakes in the past. In Texas they use to treat the shakes with deisle fuel regularly believe it or not. I dont think those black streaks are organic though.
AC
Tim Teed said
Oct 13, 2015
Looks Good. The black definitely is Tanin. I believe you need a higher PH soap like Terra Wash. Spray mix on, let it dwell 10 - 15 minutes. Rinse with your booster pump with a garden hose and a zero degree tip, moving quickly across each black section, like your are trying to rinse a stubborn piece of dirt.. That should loosen the tanin, Then reapply your solution and it should even out the coloring. As it dries the coloring will even out the grey over a few months.
Robert Baxter said
Oct 25, 2015
I have three photos to post and still need help.
This first one, I have been told, is a case of tannin. I understand oxalic acid will remove it. Does Terra Wash have oxalic acid in it?
Photo #2, 3, 4 are examples of ??????? It's almost impossible to remove.
It is a type of a color fast fungus. It is dead. Just leave it. The rain will wash it off as the roots decompose. We see it on occasion on asphalt roofs and concrete. It it is new it will come off, if it has been there a while it will just take time. Do not use too strong of a mix.
Robert Baxter said
Oct 26, 2015
Thanks for the information.
We use 2%, 50/50 Green Wash and Terra Wash.
Sound ok?
AC Lockyer said
Oct 26, 2015
Robert Baxter wrote:
Thanks for the information.
We use 2%, 50/50 Green Wash and Terra Wash.
Sound ok?
Bob,
That is a good mix.
Remember that these roofs didnt get this way overnight and often times the solution doesnt have overnight results either. Important to set the expectation.
The mustard colored algae you are seeing is what we now call California Golden Algae. It is colorfast and does not bleach out. It however as Tim mentioned dies and rinses off after several rains.
Hope this helps,
AC
Troy Layman said
Oct 26, 2015
I used to have a roommate named Rob Baxter when I lived in Norfolk, VA about 15 years back. :0)
Back on subject, I haven't worked on any cedar shake roofs yet, but I've seen that orange stuff a couple of times. I was helping Mark Fermoyle on a roof the first time and we had some orange fungus or lichen like that. Mark was using a 4% mix and it didn't alter the color of the growth at all. I saw it again while cleaning my brothers roof and sprayed it with about a 3 1/2 SH/CH augmented mix and went back over it a couple of passes. The other lichen and moss around it was a nice cotton white, but the orange really doesn't change color much, if any at all. When I came back later it had decomposed and washed off the roof along with everything else. It's just something to keep in the back of your head when setting customer expectations.
Hi everyone:
I am just not getting the results on cedar shake shingles as I see many of you do.
I'm not getting a warm golden color. My color tends to be whitish.
I don't go over 2% mix. I have used straight Terra. I have used 50/50 Terra, Green Wash. And I have used just Green Wash.
Any suggestions?
Are you using SH or CH, we only use CH and all our roofs have a light white film until we get a couple of good rains
Also I did not see where you were using wood restore as a final treatment, we have not done a cedar shake roofs yet but the wood we have done, we finished with wood restore and that gave it the light golden appearance.
The UV and mold damages on the wood will be coton white. This needs some time to weather off if the roof was pretty badly infested. On smaller areas we reccomend using a deck brush to remove the fuzz. On roofs it just takes a little time for the UV damaged wood to wear off.
Hope this helps,
AC
Thanks everyone.
I did use wood restore for the final rinse.
This side of the roof had a lot of moss and black mold. In fact the black mold is still there. Any thoughts on that?
Was the 2% too heavy. Should we use straight GW or TW or mix at 50/50 or mix at 75 terra and 25 green wash?
Also, AC you mentioned following up with another application or 2.
Should I still use the same mix and chemicals?
Robert, are you pre-wetting the wood with water before you begin?
Yes I pre-wet the cedar shingles.
Most likely it is not the black mold/fungus but tanin. Take a photo when dry. A lot of it will go grey and blend in. They don't always get the golden hue. Here is some photos before, after and one year later.
Here is a photo taken last week.
Notice I got a very good kill with the moss where only traces of the "white" moss is visible.
The black stains may be from treating the shakes in the past. In Texas they use to treat the shakes with deisle fuel regularly believe it or not. I dont think those black streaks are organic though.
AC
Looks Good. The black definitely is Tanin. I believe you need a higher PH soap like Terra Wash. Spray mix on, let it dwell 10 - 15 minutes. Rinse with your booster pump with a garden hose and a zero degree tip, moving quickly across each black section, like your are trying to rinse a stubborn piece of dirt.. That should loosen the tanin, Then reapply your solution and it should even out the coloring. As it dries the coloring will even out the grey over a few months.
I have three photos to post and still need help.
This first one, I have been told, is a case of tannin. I understand oxalic acid will remove it. Does Terra Wash have oxalic acid in it?
Photo #2, 3, 4 are examples of ??????? It's almost impossible to remove.
Thanks for the information.
We use 2%, 50/50 Green Wash and Terra Wash.
Sound ok?
Bob,
That is a good mix.
Remember that these roofs didnt get this way overnight and often times the solution doesnt have overnight results either. Important to set the expectation.
The mustard colored algae you are seeing is what we now call California Golden Algae. It is colorfast and does not bleach out. It however as Tim mentioned dies and rinses off after several rains.
Hope this helps,
AC
Back on subject, I haven't worked on any cedar shake roofs yet, but I've seen that orange stuff a couple of times. I was helping Mark Fermoyle on a roof the first time and we had some orange fungus or lichen like that. Mark was using a 4% mix and it didn't alter the color of the growth at all. I saw it again while cleaning my brothers roof and sprayed it with about a 3 1/2 SH/CH augmented mix and went back over it a couple of passes. The other lichen and moss around it was a nice cotton white, but the orange really doesn't change color much, if any at all. When I came back later it had decomposed and washed off the roof along with everything else. It's just something to keep in the back of your head when setting customer expectations.