When purchasing SH in bulk we are given two options 10.5% or 12.5%, which is preferred? Does one make it easier to do calculations over another?
Michael Derose said
Feb 13, 2014
Greg if you can get 12.5 % I would go with that as it makes it easier to calculate and gives you a better result as far as the surface your cleaning.
Doug G said
Feb 13, 2014
I'll be getting the 12.5 as well. The price was the same yet I wont need to use as much. I think the calculations are the same either way.....meaning you need to do a bit of math to get the end result.
12.5% in a 100 gal. tank is a 1.25% mix if you use AC's method of mixology.....:}
Zach Maynard said
Feb 13, 2014
Always get the freshest SH that you can, which is generally 12.5%.
John Aloisio said
Feb 13, 2014
Get the 12.5%. Be aware that in the summer months, check your shipping papers that come with every delivery and see if the sent you 15%. Sometimes it is stronger in the summer montAlso if so you can get away with less in your mix with the same results. Not a ton but , a gallon here and there. Also, most of our SH on the East Coast is made from salt water, because we are so close to the ocean.
I have a 1100 gallon tank going in my shop in two weeks. Just signed up with Univar and got a decent price too.
Gregg Giordano said
Feb 13, 2014
What was your price per gallon delivered?
Univar gave us a price of $4.20 delivered.
I have another vendor at $2.95 delivered.
We are talking 55 gallon drums here.
Huey Miller said
Feb 13, 2014
Wow those prices are higher than here we are getting 55s for $108 a drum . Delivered
John Aloisio said
Feb 13, 2014
1.80 gallon delivered. I am working on getting it down another 10-15 cents
Doug G said
Feb 13, 2014
I'm at $1.98 a Gal delivered into my tank.
Jeff Thompson said
Feb 13, 2014
John Aloisio wrote:
Get the 12.5%. Be aware that in the summer months, check your shipping papers that come with every delivery and see if the sent you 15%. Sometimes it is stronger in the summer montAlso if so you can get away with less in your mix with the same results. Not a ton but , a gallon here and there. Also, most of our SH on the East Coast is made from salt water, because we are so close to the ocean.
I have a 1100 gallon tank going in my shop in two weeks. Just signed up with Univar and got a decent price too.
What's the shelf life on 1100 gallons? I've been hesitant to buy bulk fearing it would go bad before I had a chance to use it all,
John Aloisio said
Feb 13, 2014
I'm not 100% sure, but it has to do with temperature and if it is left in direct sunlight..I have been told. I would not let it sit more than a couple weeks. My tank is inside and based on my usage, I should get a refill every other week at worst. in the busy months it could be more often, I'm not sure. They need two day notice at most in my area for deliveries. If you call in the morning it can be there he next day.
Brandon Vaughn said
Feb 14, 2014
My supply chain for SH is terrible. Univar will not deliver to my location, and they charge $3.50 gallon for pickup - and it's an hour drive each way. And I can only pick up 100 gallons at a time without a CDL.
So I have made the commitment to CH. I can get that 10 minutes from my shop and they always stock it for me. I pick up 200 lbs at a time for $2 per lb.
Chris Wegner said
Feb 14, 2014
Wow....im not going to complain about my pricing anymore. I didnt know how bad it was for you guys. I get my SH for $1.40 gallon and CH for $160 for a 100 lb bucket....my supplier is 2 blocks from my house. I can fill at the end of the day and they will stay after hours for me to fill up.
-- Edited by Kristofer Wegner on Friday 14th of February 2014 06:30:10 AM
John Aloisio said
Feb 14, 2014
You guys in Florida are spoiled..... I think some of the guys in NY and especially Long Island pay around $5.00 a gallon!
Gregg Giordano said
Feb 14, 2014
Kristofer what kind of supplier are you using?
Chris Wegner said
Feb 14, 2014
Gregg... i use pinch a penny which is only in the southeast, i checked your area.
John Aloisio said
Feb 14, 2014
Gregg
8 out of every 10 houses in Florida has a pool and they are open all year long. Pretty much everyone down there sells SHWay ou could probably go o Wawa, Walmart, Baby Gap, Bath and Body Works, and find SH...
try a local pool or chemical company and cut a deal to buy only from them for a season.
Jason Mariano said
Feb 14, 2014
Gregg,
I was at $2.73 a gallon with seaboard . Then they changed me to $2.20 a gallon. I spoke with Univar in FL and we will be getting a tank in 3 weeks for $1.93 a gallon.
John $1.80 is great. I have to call for a lower price ! ha ha
Eric Owen said
Feb 14, 2014
We are so lucky in FL, I only pay 98 cents per gal for SH and 1.40 per pound for CH.
Shaun Harton said
Feb 14, 2014
I am in the same boat as you are Brandon. I cant find a company that supplies SH in a larger scale within 90 miles of my house, I can buy it buy the crate, but its almost $3.00 a gallon in most of the pool supply store here in Central, MI, but CH is everywhere. I dont think I have a choice in the matter. I am going to have to make it work with CH with my starter setup and find the best way to mix it up.
-- Edited by Shaun Harton on Friday 14th of February 2014 09:16:24 PM
Gregg Giordano said
Feb 14, 2014
Eric:
How many gallons will 1lb of CH make at 12.5% strength?
Gregg Giordano said
Feb 15, 2014
Eric:
Based on your pricing your CH at 65% is yielding a 12% strength at 1.05 per gallon so if your purchasing SH at .95 per gallon at 12.5% I would think your better off unless you have a reason for using CH over SH.
Chris Wegner said
Feb 15, 2014
Eric Owen wrote:
We are so lucky in FL, I only pay 98 cents per gal for SH and 1.40 per pound for CH.
Eric....are you getting your SH/CH shipped to your house/office or are you picking it up somewhere and who is your supplier?
Kristofer
Edward Yackenovich said
Feb 15, 2014
GREGG. FOR EVERY GALLON of a 12.5 solution you need ... 1lb .68 oz of CH to make a 12.5% liquid.....this is based on a app i have for chemical dosing.....here is the link for the app.....i use the one for solution strength mix cal.... https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dev.dosage.calculations
-- Edited by Edward Yackenovich on Saturday 15th of February 2014 09:31:11 AM
-- Edited by Edward Yackenovich on Saturday 15th of February 2014 01:51:47 PM
Zach Maynard said
Feb 15, 2014
Sometimes a few companies going in together can help. I went from paying $3.05 a gallon to paying $1.65 by doing this. Although we will be switching to Univar once our season starts.
Eric Owen said
Feb 15, 2014
Gregg,
I use the CH for my pool and the strength of that is 73% it is a better product for the pool. I have augmented CH with SH only when I'am running low and need to finish. But now you can do that with Terra Wash on most surfaces buy turning up the inline injector control valve on your new rig. Mine works really well no more Allen wench.
Mix for CH it would take 3.13lb to get 1% in 50gl mix 6.26lb for 1% 100gal mix.
Eric Owen said
Feb 15, 2014
Kristofer
I use Gorman Supply and fill up their. They have several locations in the county's I serve.
You do have to register as a Biz with them.
AC Lockyer said
Feb 16, 2014
Gregg Giordano wrote:
Eric:
How many gallons will 1lb of CH make at 12.5% strength?
Figure 1 oz per gallon per % of available bleach. A 3% solution would be 3 oz of powder into a gallon of water. (aprox)
AC
Shaun Harton said
Feb 18, 2014
I just left a Pool supply company in my area, and they want $3.50 per gallon if bought in singles and $200.00 for a 55 gallon drum @12.5% and they make you order 3 drums at a time with a $40.00 depost on each drum, Wow. Bummer.
-- Edited by Shaun Harton on Tuesday 18th of February 2014 08:40:31 PM
-- Edited by Shaun Harton on Tuesday 18th of February 2014 08:46:34 PM
Hank Timmermann said
Feb 18, 2014
Shaun Harton wrote:
I just left a Pool supply company in my area, and they want $3.50 per gallon if bought in singles and $200.00 for a 55 gallon drum @12.5% and they make you order 3 drums at a time with a $40.00 depost on each drum, Wow. Bummer.
-- Edited by Shaun Harton on Tuesday 18th of February 2014 08:40:31 PM
-- Edited by Shaun Harton on Tuesday 18th of February 2014 08:46:34 PM
Shaun,
According to Univar's distribution network(http://www.univarusa.com/distribution.htm) they have a location in Grand Rapids and Detroit. Reach out to them and they will be able to answer any questions you might have.
Hank
Shaun Harton said
Feb 18, 2014
Thanks Hank, I am checking out that site right now.
John Aloisio said
Mar 16, 2014
1100 gallon tank delivered and installed Friday. Univar was great, they did everything and it was installed in a couple of minutes.
1100 gallon tank delivered and installed Friday. Univar was great, they did everything and it was installed in a couple of minutes.
John, You're not afraid of the SH spilling out??? I mean......with a tank installed sideways and all I would be a bit concerned.......
John Aloisio said
Mar 16, 2014
Damn iPad pics!
Michael Derose said
Mar 16, 2014
Looks good john. When are you getting it filled?
Doug G said
Mar 16, 2014
After he gets it put in correctly....:}
John Aloisio said
Mar 16, 2014
Probably Wednesday or Thursday. They said as long as I call before noon, they can deliver the next business day. I have to mount my pump to the wall & set up the fill hose. I am most likely going to do that Monday or tuesday.
Michael Derose said
Mar 16, 2014
Cool john if you need any help just call I'll be around.
When purchasing SH in bulk we are given two options 10.5% or 12.5%, which is preferred? Does one make it easier to do calculations over another?
12.5% in a 100 gal. tank is a 1.25% mix if you use AC's method of mixology.....:}
Get the 12.5%. Be aware that in the summer months, check your shipping papers that come with every delivery and see if the sent you 15%. Sometimes it is stronger in the summer montAlso if so you can get away with less in your mix with the same results. Not a ton but , a gallon here and there. Also, most of our SH on the East Coast is made from salt water, because we are so close to the ocean.
I have a 1100 gallon tank going in my shop in two weeks. Just signed up with Univar and got a decent price too.
Univar gave us a price of $4.20 delivered.
I have another vendor at $2.95 delivered.
We are talking 55 gallon drums here.
Wow those prices are higher than here we are getting 55s for $108 a drum . Delivered
1.80 gallon delivered. I am working on getting it down another 10-15 cents
What's the shelf life on 1100 gallons? I've been hesitant to buy bulk fearing it would go bad before I had a chance to use it all,
I'm not 100% sure, but it has to do with temperature and if it is left in direct sunlight..I have been told. I would not let it sit more than a couple weeks. My tank is inside and based on my usage, I should get a refill every other week at worst. in the busy months it could be more often, I'm not sure. They need two day notice at most in my area for deliveries. If you call in the morning it can be there he next day.
My supply chain for SH is terrible. Univar will not deliver to my location, and they charge $3.50 gallon for pickup - and it's an hour drive each way. And I can only pick up 100 gallons at a time without a CDL.
So I have made the commitment to CH. I can get that 10 minutes from my shop and they always stock it for me. I pick up 200 lbs at a time for $2 per lb.
Wow....im not going to complain about my pricing anymore. I didnt know how bad it was for you guys. I get my SH for $1.40 gallon and CH for $160 for a 100 lb bucket....my supplier is 2 blocks from my house. I can fill at the end of the day and they will stay after hours for me to fill up.
-- Edited by Kristofer Wegner on Friday 14th of February 2014 06:30:10 AM
You guys in Florida are spoiled..... I think some of the guys in NY and especially Long Island pay around $5.00 a gallon!
Gregg... i use pinch a penny which is only in the southeast, i checked your area.
Gregg
8 out of every 10 houses in Florida has a pool and they are open all year long. Pretty much everyone down there sells SHWay ou could probably go o Wawa, Walmart, Baby Gap, Bath and Body Works, and find SH...
try a local pool or chemical company and cut a deal to buy only from them for a season.
Gregg,
I was at $2.73 a gallon with seaboard . Then they changed me to $2.20 a gallon. I spoke with Univar in FL and we will be getting a tank in 3 weeks for $1.93 a gallon.
John $1.80 is great. I have to call for a lower price ! ha ha
I am in the same boat as you are Brandon. I cant find a company that supplies SH in a larger scale within 90 miles of my house, I can buy it buy the crate, but its almost $3.00 a gallon in most of the pool supply store here in Central, MI, but CH is everywhere. I dont think I have a choice in the matter. I am going to have to make it work with CH with my starter setup and find the best way to mix it up.
-- Edited by Shaun Harton on Friday 14th of February 2014 09:16:24 PM
How many gallons will 1lb of CH make at 12.5% strength?
Based on your pricing your CH at 65% is yielding a 12% strength at 1.05 per gallon so if your purchasing SH at .95 per gallon at 12.5% I would think your better off unless you have a reason for using CH over SH.
Eric....are you getting your SH/CH shipped to your house/office or are you picking it up somewhere and who is your supplier?
Kristofer
GREGG. FOR EVERY GALLON of a 12.5 solution you need ... 1lb .68 oz of CH to make a 12.5% liquid.....this is based on a app i have for chemical dosing.....here is the link for the app.....i use the one for solution strength mix cal....
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dev.dosage.calculations
-- Edited by Edward Yackenovich on Saturday 15th of February 2014 09:31:11 AM
-- Edited by Edward Yackenovich on Saturday 15th of February 2014 01:51:47 PM
I use the CH for my pool and the strength of that is 73% it is a better product for the pool. I have augmented CH with SH
only when I'am running low and need to finish. But now you can do that with Terra Wash on most surfaces buy turning up the inline injector control valve on your new rig. Mine works really well no more Allen wench.
Mix for CH it would take 3.13lb to get 1% in 50gl mix 6.26lb for 1% 100gal mix.
I use Gorman Supply and fill up their. They have several locations in the county's I serve.
You do have to register as a Biz with them.
Figure 1 oz per gallon per % of available bleach. A 3% solution would be 3 oz of powder into a gallon of water. (aprox)
AC
I just left a Pool supply company in my area, and they want $3.50 per gallon if bought in singles and $200.00 for a 55 gallon drum @12.5% and they make you order 3 drums at a time with a $40.00 depost on each drum, Wow. Bummer.
-- Edited by Shaun Harton on Tuesday 18th of February 2014 08:40:31 PM
-- Edited by Shaun Harton on Tuesday 18th of February 2014 08:46:34 PM
Shaun,
According to Univar's distribution network(http://www.univarusa.com/distribution.htm) they have a location in Grand Rapids and Detroit. Reach out to them and they will be able to answer any questions you might have.
Hank
1100 gallon tank delivered and installed Friday. Univar was great, they did everything and it was installed in a couple of minutes.
John, You're not afraid of the SH spilling out???
I mean......with a tank installed sideways and all I would be a bit concerned.......
Damn iPad pics!
Probably Wednesday or Thursday. They said as long as I call before noon, they can deliver the next business day. I have to mount my pump to the wall & set up the fill hose. I am most likely going to do that Monday or tuesday.
Thanks