Does anyone know if using de-ionized water for CH mixes will help resolve issues with haze?
What is the best way to mix or blend the CH into the water and how long do you typically get before the mix becomes neutralized or settles. I read to run it through a painters sock and agitate. Wondering if a simple paint mixer will work.
Thinking about mixing up my initial batches at the yard in the morning so that when I get on the job-site I can start spraying. 50gal tanks so don't need to worry about DOT.
-- Edited by AC Lockyer on Thursday 12th of September 2013 10:11:14 AM
Matt Jennemann said
Sep 11, 2013
Hey Mike I use a 2.0 gpm pump that I picked up at Tractor Supply for $55 to mix and agitate while spraying. I use a 1/2"pvc tee that's capped on both ends and drilled 3/32" holes, 3 on each cap at various angles and it works like a charm for agitating the mix while spraying. Before I used the pump for agitating I never had a problem except for the occasional white spot when my pickup tube would suck up what settled at the bottom. I mix onsite and use the time it takes for mixing to prep the house for spraying and take the home owner on a walkdown of the property before I start. Be safe.
Lee Kendall said
Sep 11, 2013
just curious to why your using ch and not sh? seems like most guys that have tried it have had troubles.. I would assume it is because the prices for sh are too high or too far? Just curious!
AC Lockyer said
Sep 11, 2013
Lee,
CH benefits are...
1. Carrying capacity.
DOT limits carrying of SH to 119 gallons or less without a CDL with Haz Mat. This is for all liquids on the hazardous substances table. CH is a powder and is also on the hazardous substances table but as a solid, dry, or non-liquid. The carrying capacity without a CDL and Haz Mat is 840 pounds. On a heavy day of cleaning huge apartment buildings you wouldn't use more than 100 pounds of CH in a LONG day.
2. Availability.
The average home office'd softwasher can easily store a pallet of 16 100 pound CH kegs in their garage and not need to run for bleach every day or two like you do with SH. CH can also be delivered on a pallet to large jobs and need no special consideration for storage etc.
3. Longevity.
CH can be packaged in 100 lb containers that seal tightly and can be shelved for up to a year without loosing strength.
4. Plants.
SH (sodium) is the active ingredient in Round-Up and is a poison to plants. CH (calcium) is the active ingredient in many plant fortifiers like bone meal and is actually a plant nutrient. Using CH in even partial softwashing mixes (augmenting) replacing some of your SH can dramatically drop plant damages. Using CH all together almost eliminates plant damages, especially when Plant Wash is used to reestablish the aerobic bacteria in the soil around the plants.
There are more reasons but these are the top 4.
Hope this helps.
AC
AC Lockyer said
Sep 11, 2013
Oh and yes Pure Water has less solids in it and can absorb more CH. HOWEVER..................... CH calcium never truly completely disolves and there will always be a baby powder consistency of cream that must be filtered out.
AC
Lee Kendall said
Sep 12, 2013
Seems like some good reasons! I get a pretty good deal on the sh and it gets delivered to the shop which is a commercial location so I can just get 500 gallons at a time.. But it is trucked from about 3 hours away(not sure how they afford that)... But how we work is, a 100 gallon tank with only 30 gallons of sh in it, then a reserve tank with 15 gallons of sh.. so that we can use up the 100 gallon tank then pump in 15 more gallons and get another 50 of roof mix or alot more house mix.. but sounds ch sounds like it may be the thing to do in the future as environmental agencies are getting stricter with SH
AC Lockyer wrote:
Lee,
CH benefits are...
1. Carrying capacity.
DOT limits carrying of SH to 119 gallons or less without a CDL with Haz Mat. This is for all liquids on the hazardous substances table. CH is a powder and is also on the hazardous substances table but as a solid, dry, or non-liquid. The carrying capacity without a CDL and Haz Mat is 840 pounds. On a heavy day of cleaning huge apartment buildings you wouldn't use more than 100 pounds of CH in a LONG day.
2. Availability.
The average home office'd softwasher can easily store a pallet of 16 100 pound CH kegs in their garage and not need to run for bleach every day or two like you do with SH. CH can also be delivered on a pallet to large jobs and need no special consideration for storage etc.
3. Longevity.
CH can be packaged in 100 lb containers that seal tightly and can be shelved for up to a year without loosing strength.
4. Plants.
SH (sodium) is the active ingredient in Round-Up and is a poison to plants. CH (calcium) is the active ingredient in many plant fortifiers like bone meal and is actually a plant nutrient. Using CH in even partial softwashing mixes (augmenting) replacing some of your SH can dramatically drop plant damages. Using CH all together almost eliminates plant damages, especially when Plant Wash is used to reestablish the aerobic bacteria in the soil around the plants.
There are more reasons but these are the top 4.
Hope this helps.
AC
Mike Wedge said
Sep 12, 2013
Thanks for al the great answers. Like AC said, mostly for plant protection, accessibility and costs. The higher end homes in Hawaii are extremely landscaped out along the overhangs and People in Hawaii don't tend to have gutters. I have not burned up any plants with the SH and have had great results, but it sure does stress me out on every single job and it cost me a lot of time as well as I tend to practically drowned the landscape. SH is also 3x as expensive and I a pain in the but when your using your garage as a shop. I cant really grab a 300 gallon tote so i have to get it 15gals at a time and its an hour away. Just looking to make the game a little easier plus it so easy to sell the jobs when you eliminate that threat. People are fine with the haze when I tell them that it is a possibility and that the rain will wash it away overtime.
Thanks for the tip AC on the residual granules when blending. Did my first mix today and couldn't get the CH to totally mix out when running it through the painters sock.
Roof came out exactly as if it was SH. I didn't even have the haze effect.
AC Lockyer said
Sep 12, 2013
Mike Wedge wrote:
Thanks for al the great answers. Like AC said, mostly for plant protection, accessibility and costs. The higher end homes in Hawaii are extremely landscaped out along the overhangs and People in Hawaii don't tend to have gutters. I have not burned up any plants with the SH and have had great results, but it sure does stress me out on every single job and it cost me a lot of time as well as I tend to practically drowned the landscape. SH is also 3x as expensive and I a pain in the but when your using your garage as a shop. I cant really grab a 300 gallon tote so i have to get it 15gals at a time and its an hour away. Just looking to make the game a little easier plus it so easy to sell the jobs when you eliminate that threat. People are fine with the haze when I tell them that it is a possibility and that the rain will wash it away overtime.
Thanks for the tip AC on the residual granules when blending. Did my first mix today and couldn't get the CH to totally mix out when running it through the painters sock.
Roof came out exactly as if it was SH. I didn't even have the haze effect.
Good to hear Mike!
AC
Brandon Vaughn said
Sep 12, 2013
I've been using a basket strainer AND a 1 gallon paint strainer sack lined inside and pour running water through my basket full of CH. It does make mixing a lot easier. I use the SWS skid so it is constantly churning and mixing while I work. Residue problems is less than when I mixed by hand.
Don't let CH dry on windows - it spots terribly and dries fast. I had 3 skylights that dried before I could rinse on an unwalkable roof this week. Came back next day with vinegar and water and it scrubbed right off very easily. Thanks to Tim for the tip on that one.
AC Lockyer said
Sep 12, 2013
Vinegar and Water GREAT TIP! I wonder if we could use one of those indoor water fed poles that uses a bulb pump to load up with the vinegar and a pad on the end of the pole to clean off hard to reach windows? See link.
Would the use of warm ro/di water to mix CH help dissolve the CH faster and allow the use of CH without leaving behind the "haze" . I am thinking of mixing up at tank of CH in the shop with warm, pure water and then transfer to my truck mounted system
AC Lockyer said
May 4, 2014
RO water does help because there is more room between the molecules to absorb more CH into solution.
Does anyone know if using de-ionized water for CH mixes will help resolve issues with haze?
What is the best way to mix or blend the CH into the water and how long do you typically get before the mix becomes neutralized or settles. I read to run it through a painters sock and agitate. Wondering if a simple paint mixer will work.
Thinking about mixing up my initial batches at the yard in the morning so that when I get on the job-site I can start spraying. 50gal tanks so don't need to worry about DOT.
-- Edited by AC Lockyer on Thursday 12th of September 2013 10:11:14 AM
CH benefits are...
1. Carrying capacity.
DOT limits carrying of SH to 119 gallons or less without a CDL with Haz Mat. This is for all liquids on the hazardous substances table. CH is a powder and is also on the hazardous substances table but as a solid, dry, or non-liquid. The carrying capacity without a CDL and Haz Mat is 840 pounds. On a heavy day of cleaning huge apartment buildings you wouldn't use more than 100 pounds of CH in a LONG day.
2. Availability.
The average home office'd softwasher can easily store a pallet of 16 100 pound CH kegs in their garage and not need to run for bleach every day or two like you do with SH. CH can also be delivered on a pallet to large jobs and need no special consideration for storage etc.
3. Longevity.
CH can be packaged in 100 lb containers that seal tightly and can be shelved for up to a year without loosing strength.
4. Plants.
SH (sodium) is the active ingredient in Round-Up and is a poison to plants. CH (calcium) is the active ingredient in many plant fortifiers like bone meal and is actually a plant nutrient. Using CH in even partial softwashing mixes (augmenting) replacing some of your SH can dramatically drop plant damages. Using CH all together almost eliminates plant damages, especially when Plant Wash is used to reestablish the aerobic bacteria in the soil around the plants.
There are more reasons but these are the top 4.
Hope this helps.
AC
AC
Thanks for al the great answers. Like AC said, mostly for plant protection, accessibility and costs. The higher end homes in Hawaii are extremely landscaped out along the overhangs and People in Hawaii don't tend to have gutters. I have not burned up any plants with the SH and have had great results, but it sure does stress me out on every single job and it cost me a lot of time as well as I tend to practically drowned the landscape. SH is also 3x as expensive and I a pain in the but when your using your garage as a shop. I cant really grab a 300 gallon tote so i have to get it 15gals at a time and its an hour away. Just looking to make the game a little easier plus it so easy to sell the jobs when you eliminate that threat. People are fine with the haze when I tell them that it is a possibility and that the rain will wash it away overtime.
Thanks for the tip AC on the residual granules when blending. Did my first mix today and couldn't get the CH to totally mix out when running it through the painters sock.
Roof came out exactly as if it was SH. I didn't even have the haze effect.
Good to hear Mike!
AC
I've been using a basket strainer AND a 1 gallon paint strainer sack lined inside and pour running water through my basket full of CH. It does make mixing a lot easier. I use the SWS skid so it is constantly churning and mixing while I work. Residue problems is less than when I mixed by hand.
Don't let CH dry on windows - it spots terribly and dries fast. I had 3 skylights that dried before I could rinse on an unwalkable roof this week. Came back next day with vinegar and water and it scrubbed right off very easily. Thanks to Tim for the tip on that one.
AC
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