I'm wondering if it is feasable to mix CH in 50gal drums and pump it into my mix tank like I would SH.
If so, to make 3% solution, how many dry oz of CH would we add per 50 gallon drum of water?
>> On the mixology chart for 3% it calls for 300 oz of CH per 69 gallons of water I'm not sure, but I don't think that would yeild a finished volume of 100 gallons.
>> I see on the chart that using SH we're making the full 100 gallons, but it looks like only about 70 gallons of finished product using CH.
Maybe I'm just having a "brain fart", but I'm trying to figure out exactly how many dry oz of CH to add to 50 gallons of water.
Thanks Y'all
Chris Madden said
Dec 26, 2012
Mark,
I believe I have the answer to your 3% premixed 50 gal drum of solution.
100gal. of water mixed with 100oz of CH will give you a 1% solution.
So to get your 3% solution in 100gal. you up your CH to 300oz.
100gal. water + 300oz. of CH = 3% solution.
50gal. water + 150oz. of CH = 3% solution.
My question to you is:
Are you trying to have a 55gal drum filled with 50gal. of 3% ready to spray solution?
or are you looking to have a 55gal drum filled with a 10% solution (just like buying
10% SH) so you can add to water in your mix tank on your rig?
If you are looking for the latter...... then the following will apply:
100gal. water + 1000oz. of CH = 10% solution
50gal. water + 500oz. of CH = 10% solution.
I am taking these numbers by what AC stated in this thread:
"Sure in a 100 gallon tank of water every 100 ounces of powder CH bleach will make a 1% solution.
AC"
Hope this helps. Stay safe out there Mark
Chris
Mark Fermoyle said
Dec 26, 2012
Hey Chris,
Thanks for the info. I was thinking of keeping it mixed on hand like the SH. It would only save me about $25 as opposed to having a 50gal drum of SH delivered to the house. However, as I understand the module, the CH will be more "plant-friendly". That $25 could purchase "a lot" of peace of mind!!
I think I'd just have to draw it from the top of the barrel and not suck up the water hardeners from the bottom.
Do you, or does anyone else out there know how the shelf-life of CH is compared to SH?
THANKS AGAIN CHRIS!!
AC Lockyer said
Dec 27, 2012
Mark,
Id make a tank that has a mix pump mounted to the top that could run a cycle and shut off over night. A cylinder tank would be best with a cone in the bottom. You can buy these online with stands. In the bottom of the cone place a valve for bleeding off the sludge. This is VERY similar the the technique used in home desile fuel stills that you can find online. They have a valve at the bottom to drain off the heavier byproducts after the tank has stratified and the particulates settle to the bottom. I bet this would work well for you.
Thanks Chris for jumping in on the rest of this while I was on break.
AC
Chris Madden said
Dec 27, 2012
GM Services wrote:
How does he make his own diesel Chris?
We pay $7.93 for the equivalent of a US gallon or roughly 1.60 euros a liter if my maths are correct. Would be nice to make it at $0.75 a gallon.
Michael,
I could start a whole new forum with the info on Making your own Biodiesel.
But I will just leave some links here for folks to start their search into this awesome
There are other companies and brands out there as well.
Just as AC said these are typically used in the Making of Diesel to run in a diesel engine.
I helped a friend of mine build a Diesel still. He makes his own fuel for his truck at a current
cost of .75 cents per gallon.
Hope this helps.
Michael Hickey said
Dec 27, 2012
How does he make his own diesel Chris?
We pay $7.93 for the equivalent of a US gallon or roughly 1.60 euros a liter if my maths are correct. Would be nice to make it at $0.75 a gallon.
Mark Fermoyle said
Dec 30, 2012
Chris,
So, would 1250 ounces of CH powder to 100 gallons of water yield a 12.5% solution?
Mark
Chris Madden said
Dec 31, 2012
Let Us Spray wrote:
Chris,
So, would 1250 ounces of CH powder to 100 gallons of water yield a 12.5% solution?
Mark
Hey Mark,
Yes your correct. 1250oz of CH to 100 gal of water will give you 12.5% solution.
100 gal water + 1250 oz of CH = 12.5% solution
50 gal water + 625 oz of CH = 12.5% solution
Hope this helps. Have a great day!!!
Chris
Mark Fermoyle said
Jan 1, 2013
Cool beans,
That's what I thought, just wanted another opinion. I usually get 12.5% SH here, but may make 10% CH and give it the "Fresh & Clear" kicker. I'm excited about less plant damage worries with CH!
Do you know how to get rid of the possible residual film people have spoken of regarding CH?
Mark
Slava Borisevich said
Jan 17, 2014
This video demonstrates the features of the OSR Auto-Mixing pump.
John Aloisio said
Jan 18, 2014
The metal sump pump would get chewed up in no time by the chems.
AC Lockyer said
Jan 18, 2014
Yes John, I believe they are mixing a water based floor sealer in these videos. I see nothing there that would last long in our environment. Good idea though.
AC
John Aloisio said
Jan 18, 2014
I think it's odor and stain remover for carpet cleaning, that is most likely water based like you said.
Vic Irish said
Jan 18, 2014
AC Lockyer wrote:
Yes John, I believe they are mixing a water based floor sealer in these videos. I see nothing there that would last long in our environment. Good idea though.
AC
I like the portability of that garbage dumpster on wheels.
I mix mine in a 55 gallon plastic drum, on site. It takes more time but I feed plants and not kill them. Makes for good sleep.
AC Lockyer said
Jan 19, 2014
I miss Chris Madden :(
AC
Brandon Vaughn said
Jan 20, 2014
AC Lockyer wrote:
I miss Chris Madden :(
AC
What happened to him? I've read all his posts - the guy sounds like a super smart dude.
Vic Irish said
Jan 20, 2014
Chris Madden wrote:
Let Us Spray wrote:
Chris,
So, would 1250 ounces of CH powder to 100 gallons of water yield a 12.5% solution?
Mark
Hey Mark,
Yes your correct. 1250oz of CH to 100 gal of water will give you 12.5% solution.
100 gal water + 1250 oz of CH = 12.5% solution
50 gal water + 625 oz of CH = 12.5% solution
Hope this helps. Have a great day!!!
Chris
Thank you, Chris.
If there are 16 oz in a pound, then 1,250 oz = 78.125 pounds of CH per 100 gallons.
That will be a lot of stirring, no? Little more than 3 - 25 lb. buckets, or the better part of a 100 lb. keg.
We are not using anything stronger than 5% solution, so I don't know why I just posted this.
I can't delete, so please just ignore this :)
vic
-- Edited by Vic Irish on Monday 20th of January 2014 01:07:27 PM
John Smith said
Jan 20, 2014
omg I'd go broke. why would you want it that strong? 3% ch works great
Matt Jennemann said
Jan 24, 2014
I think what they are getting at is you will have the same 12.5% solution mix as commercial sh. Mix, let settle and you get your ch mix in liquid form just like your sh but w/o the plant damage and residue if don't suck it up from the bottom. Pretty good idea if you ask me. Just make sure you don't go past your 119 gallon limit on a long day. Good thinkin guy's keep it coming!
I'm wondering if it is feasable to mix CH in 50gal drums and pump it into my mix tank like I would SH.
If so, to make 3% solution, how many dry oz of CH would we add per 50 gallon drum of water?
>> On the mixology chart for 3% it calls for 300 oz of CH per 69 gallons of water I'm not sure, but I don't think that would yeild a finished volume of 100 gallons.
>> I see on the chart that using SH we're making the full 100 gallons, but it looks like only about 70 gallons of finished product using CH.
Maybe I'm just having a "brain fart", but I'm trying to figure out exactly how many dry oz of CH to add to 50 gallons of water.
Thanks Y'all
Mark,
I believe I have the answer to your 3% premixed 50 gal drum of solution.
100gal. of water mixed with 100oz of CH will give you a 1% solution.
So to get your 3% solution in 100gal. you up your CH to 300oz.
100gal. water + 300oz. of CH = 3% solution.
50gal. water + 150oz. of CH = 3% solution.
My question to you is:
Are you trying to have a 55gal drum filled with 50gal. of 3% ready to spray solution?
or are you looking to have a 55gal drum filled with a 10% solution (just like buying
10% SH) so you can add to water in your mix tank on your rig?
If you are looking for the latter...... then the following will apply:
100gal. water + 1000oz. of CH = 10% solution
50gal. water + 500oz. of CH = 10% solution.
I am taking these numbers by what AC stated in this thread:
http://softwashsystems.activeboard.com/t46649680/my-mixology-calculation/
"Sure in a 100 gallon tank of water every 100 ounces of powder CH bleach will make a 1% solution.
AC"
Hope this helps. Stay safe out there Mark
Chris
Thanks for the info. I was thinking of keeping it mixed on hand like the SH. It would only save me about $25 as opposed to having a 50gal drum of SH delivered to the house. However, as I understand the module, the CH will be more "plant-friendly". That $25 could purchase "a lot" of peace of mind!!
I think I'd just have to draw it from the top of the barrel and not suck up the water hardeners from the bottom.
Do you, or does anyone else out there know how the shelf-life of CH is compared to SH?
THANKS AGAIN CHRIS!!
Id make a tank that has a mix pump mounted to the top that could run a cycle and shut off over night. A cylinder tank would be best with a cone in the bottom. You can buy these online with stands. In the bottom of the cone place a valve for bleeding off the sludge. This is VERY similar the the technique used in home desile fuel stills that you can find online. They have a valve at the bottom to drain off the heavier byproducts after the tank has stratified and the particulates settle to the bottom. I bet this would work well for you.
Thanks Chris for jumping in on the rest of this while I was on break.
AC
Michael,
I could start a whole new forum with the info on Making your own Biodiesel.
But I will just leave some links here for folks to start their search into this awesome
process.
Making Biodiesel
Biodiesel
Biodiesel Production: How To Make It & Test It - Graydon Blair - CBC 2011
You can buy an already to run unit to make Biodiesel, or make your own "Still"
for about $800 or less.
Chris
-- Edited by Chris Madden on Thursday 27th of December 2012 04:43:30 PM
Here is one brand of tank AC was speaking of:
Snyder Industries Batch Mixing Tank with Stand — 65 Gallon
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200328445_200328445
Here is a smaller version:
Snyder Industries Batch Mixing Tank with Stand — 17 Gallon
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200328441_200328441
There are other companies and brands out there as well.
Just as AC said these are typically used in the Making of Diesel to run in a diesel engine.
I helped a friend of mine build a Diesel still. He makes his own fuel for his truck at a current
cost of .75 cents per gallon.
Hope this helps.
We pay $7.93 for the equivalent of a US gallon or roughly 1.60 euros a liter if my maths are correct. Would be nice to make it at $0.75 a gallon.
So, would 1250 ounces of CH powder to 100 gallons of water yield a 12.5% solution?
Mark
Hey Mark,
Yes your correct. 1250oz of CH to 100 gal of water will give you 12.5% solution.
100 gal water + 1250 oz of CH = 12.5% solution
50 gal water + 625 oz of CH = 12.5% solution
Hope this helps. Have a great day!!!
Chris
That's what I thought, just wanted another opinion. I usually get 12.5% SH here, but may make 10% CH and give it the "Fresh & Clear" kicker. I'm excited about less plant damage worries with CH!
Do you know how to get rid of the possible residual film people have spoken of regarding CH?
Mark
This video demonstrates the features of the OSR Auto-Mixing pump.
The metal sump pump would get chewed up in no time by the chems.
AC
I think it's odor and stain remover for carpet cleaning, that is most likely water based like you said.
I like the portability of that garbage dumpster on wheels.
Take a small one like this - http://www.amazon.com/Rubbermaid-Commercial-FG9W2700GRAY-50-Gallon-Rectangular/dp/B0007845JC/ref=sr_1_1?s=office-products&ie=UTF8&qid=1390066130&sr=1-1&keywords=trash+dumpster, add a portable pump and make CH on site. Feasible or impractical? Both? LOL
AC
What happened to him? I've read all his posts - the guy sounds like a super smart dude.
Thank you, Chris.
If there are 16 oz in a pound, then 1,250 oz = 78.125 pounds of CH per 100 gallons.
That will be a lot of stirring, no? Little more than 3 - 25 lb. buckets, or the better part of a 100 lb. keg.
We are not using anything stronger than 5% solution, so I don't know why I just posted this.
I can't delete, so please just ignore this :)
vic
-- Edited by Vic Irish on Monday 20th of January 2014 01:07:27 PM